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Helm seats and shower sump

RD
Rio DeGennaro
Mon, Jun 2, 2025 3:28 PM

Two separate topics... of course!
The boat... 2008 NT37 custom built.

I am planning to get the 2 lower helm seats re-upholstered but have not the slightest idea of how to remove the seats!  The captain's seat is a double on a fore and aft adjustable slide and the port seat, also a double is fixed.
Directly under the port seat is an a/c unit , the dc breaker panel, and a storage cabinet.

I have not found the access to the shower sump!  Part of the custom build request from the original owner was to increase the size of the shower stall.  the steps down to the berth and head is offset to port of centerline.

Any help with these two issues will be greatly appreciated!

Rio DeGennaro
M/V Ti Amo
37197

Two separate topics... of course! The boat... 2008 NT37 custom built. I am planning to get the 2 lower helm seats re-upholstered but have not the slightest idea of how to remove the seats! The captain's seat is a double on a fore and aft adjustable slide and the port seat, also a double is fixed. Directly under the port seat is an a/c unit , the dc breaker panel, and a storage cabinet. I have not found the access to the shower sump! Part of the custom build request from the original owner was to increase the size of the shower stall. the steps down to the berth and head is offset to port of centerline. Any help with these two issues will be greatly appreciated! Rio DeGennaro M/V Ti Amo 37197
BM
Ben McCafferty
Mon, Jun 2, 2025 3:36 PM

Hey Rio—
We had all interior upholstery done last year, so I can help with this.

Captain’s seat—as you said, you use the slider lock to move it all the way forward. Then use the slider lock to let it slide off even further forward. Careful—it’s very heavy and also greasy on the bottom. From there, you can disassemble it easily. Side note—if you remove the foot rest first, it lessens weight just a bit.

Passenger seat—the back is removed with screws that are hidden in the magazine rack that faces aft. Once that’s gone—you’ll have screws into the base cushion from below. Some of those are in the locker that is below the passenger seat (outboard), and the inboard ones are accessed behind the AC power panel. So loosen/remove the four screws on the AC panel (not a bad idea to disconnect AC power first—but still don’t touch anything in case you have an inverter etc. still giving you juice in there) and then remove the 2-3 screws that point upwards into the base of the passenger base cushion.

Shower pump—ours is the “Whale Gulper”—and it’s mounted in a bilge that is accessed via a hatch next to the bathroom door in the hallway there. I’m 6’1” and I can get into that bilge completely to work on that pump. It is mounted to the aft end of the bilge on the vertical wall there. It’s basically on the opposite side of the wall from the step you use into the engine room. Definitely have an assistant to pass tools as needed, and to call 911 when you can’t get back out, haha.

Hope this helps,
b

On Jun 2, 2025, at 08:28, Rio DeGennaro via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org wrote:

Two separate topics... of course!
The boat... 2008 NT37 custom built.

I am planning to get the 2 lower helm seats re-upholstered but have not the slightest idea of how to remove the seats!  The captain's seat is a double on a fore and aft adjustable slide and the port seat, also a double is fixed.
Directly under the port seat is an a/c unit , the dc breaker panel, and a storage cabinet.

I have not found the access to the shower sump!  Part of the custom build request from the original owner was to increase the size of the shower stall.  the steps down to the berth and head is offset to port of centerline.

Any help with these two issues will be greatly appreciated!

Rio DeGennaro
M/V Ti Amo
37197


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Hey Rio— We had all interior upholstery done last year, so I can help with this. Captain’s seat—as you said, you use the slider lock to move it all the way forward. Then use the slider lock to let it slide off even further forward. Careful—it’s very heavy and also greasy on the bottom. From there, you can disassemble it easily. Side note—if you remove the foot rest first, it lessens weight just a bit. Passenger seat—the back is removed with screws that are hidden in the magazine rack that faces aft. Once that’s gone—you’ll have screws into the base cushion from below. Some of those are in the locker that is below the passenger seat (outboard), and the inboard ones are accessed behind the AC power panel. So loosen/remove the four screws on the AC panel (not a bad idea to disconnect AC power first—but still don’t touch anything in case you have an inverter etc. still giving you juice in there) and then remove the 2-3 screws that point upwards into the base of the passenger base cushion. Shower pump—ours is the “Whale Gulper”—and it’s mounted in a bilge that is accessed via a hatch next to the bathroom door in the hallway there. I’m 6’1” and I can get into that bilge completely to work on that pump. It is mounted to the aft end of the bilge on the vertical wall there. It’s basically on the opposite side of the wall from the step you use into the engine room. Definitely have an assistant to pass tools as needed, and to call 911 when you can’t get back out, haha. Hope this helps, b > On Jun 2, 2025, at 08:28, Rio DeGennaro via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: > > Two separate topics... of course! > The boat... 2008 NT37 custom built. > > I am planning to get the 2 lower helm seats re-upholstered but have not the slightest idea of how to remove the seats! The captain's seat is a double on a fore and aft adjustable slide and the port seat, also a double is fixed. > Directly under the port seat is an a/c unit , the dc breaker panel, and a storage cabinet. > > I have not found the access to the shower sump! Part of the custom build request from the original owner was to increase the size of the shower stall. the steps down to the berth and head is offset to port of centerline. > > Any help with these two issues will be greatly appreciated! > > Rio DeGennaro > M/V Ti Amo > 37197 > _______________________________________________ > Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org>
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Ben McCafferty
Mon, Jun 2, 2025 3:37 PM

P.S. Unless your boat is really unusual—under the port seat is the AC panel, not the DC one. Which matters because it can kill you, where the DC is less likely to.  :)

On Jun 2, 2025, at 08:28, Rio DeGennaro via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org wrote:

Two separate topics... of course!
The boat... 2008 NT37 custom built.

I am planning to get the 2 lower helm seats re-upholstered but have not the slightest idea of how to remove the seats!  The captain's seat is a double on a fore and aft adjustable slide and the port seat, also a double is fixed.
Directly under the port seat is an a/c unit , the dc breaker panel, and a storage cabinet.

I have not found the access to the shower sump!  Part of the custom build request from the original owner was to increase the size of the shower stall.  the steps down to the berth and head is offset to port of centerline.

Any help with these two issues will be greatly appreciated!

Rio DeGennaro
M/V Ti Amo
37197


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P.S. Unless your boat is really unusual—under the port seat is the AC panel, not the DC one. Which matters because it can kill you, where the DC is less likely to. :) > On Jun 2, 2025, at 08:28, Rio DeGennaro via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: > > Two separate topics... of course! > The boat... 2008 NT37 custom built. > > I am planning to get the 2 lower helm seats re-upholstered but have not the slightest idea of how to remove the seats! The captain's seat is a double on a fore and aft adjustable slide and the port seat, also a double is fixed. > Directly under the port seat is an a/c unit , the dc breaker panel, and a storage cabinet. > > I have not found the access to the shower sump! Part of the custom build request from the original owner was to increase the size of the shower stall. the steps down to the berth and head is offset to port of centerline. > > Any help with these two issues will be greatly appreciated! > > Rio DeGennaro > M/V Ti Amo > 37197 > _______________________________________________ > Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org>
RD
Rio DeGennaro
Tue, Jun 3, 2025 11:45 AM

Ben... Thanks so much for the seat solution!!
It is the AC panel.  My fingers were faster than my brain!

Rio


From: Ben McCafferty via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2025 11:37 AM
To: South East Nordic Tugs Owners' Association (SENTOA) sentoa@lists.sentoa.org
Cc: Ben McCafferty bmacpiper@me.com
Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Helm seats and shower sump

P.S. Unless your boat is really unusual—under the port seat is the AC panel, not the DC one. Which matters because it can kill you, where the DC is less likely to.  :)

On Jun 2, 2025, at 08:28, Rio DeGennaro via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org wrote:

Two separate topics... of course!
The boat... 2008 NT37 custom built.

I am planning to get the 2 lower helm seats re-upholstered but have not the slightest idea of how to remove the seats!  The captain's seat is a double on a fore and aft adjustable slide and the port seat, also a double is fixed.
Directly under the port seat is an a/c unit , the dc breaker panel, and a storage cabinet.

I have not found the access to the shower sump!  Part of the custom build request from the original owner was to increase the size of the shower stall.  the steps down to the berth and head is offset to port of centerline.

Any help with these two issues will be greatly appreciated!

Rio DeGennaro
M/V Ti Amo
37197


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Ben... Thanks so much for the seat solution!! It is the AC panel. My fingers were faster than my brain! Rio ________________________________ From: Ben McCafferty via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> Sent: Monday, June 2, 2025 11:37 AM To: South East Nordic Tugs Owners' Association (SENTOA) <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> Cc: Ben McCafferty <bmacpiper@me.com> Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Helm seats and shower sump P.S. Unless your boat is really unusual—under the port seat is the AC panel, not the DC one. Which matters because it can kill you, where the DC is less likely to. :) On Jun 2, 2025, at 08:28, Rio DeGennaro via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: Two separate topics... of course! The boat... 2008 NT37 custom built. I am planning to get the 2 lower helm seats re-upholstered but have not the slightest idea of how to remove the seats! The captain's seat is a double on a fore and aft adjustable slide and the port seat, also a double is fixed. Directly under the port seat is an a/c unit , the dc breaker panel, and a storage cabinet. I have not found the access to the shower sump! Part of the custom build request from the original owner was to increase the size of the shower stall. the steps down to the berth and head is offset to port of centerline. Any help with these two issues will be greatly appreciated! Rio DeGennaro M/V Ti Amo 37197 _______________________________________________ Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org<mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org<mailto:sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org>
BM
Ben McCafferty
Tue, Jun 3, 2025 1:26 PM

You’re more than welcome! Meant to mention—both AC and DC panels have enough wire that they can be laid flat on the floor once screws are out (sort of like they have a hinge on the bottom). This makes is very convenient to accidentally place your hand across multiple buses of live voltage! But seriously, very handy to have them secure when doing other things. The more I work on my tug (and I’ve worked on almost every part of it), the more I appreciate the thought that went into its design and layout behind the scenes. My one really difficult chore is changing a stern thruster shear pin in the swim step...
See you at the rendezvous?
b/nessie 37-202

On Jun 3, 2025, at 04:45, Rio DeGennaro via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org wrote:

Ben... Thanks so much for the seat solution!!
It is the AC panel.  My fingers were faster than my brain!

Rio
From: Ben McCafferty via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2025 11:37 AM
To: South East Nordic Tugs Owners' Association (SENTOA) sentoa@lists.sentoa.org
Cc: Ben McCafferty bmacpiper@me.com
Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Helm seats and shower sump

P.S. Unless your boat is really unusual—under the port seat is the AC panel, not the DC one. Which matters because it can kill you, where the DC is less likely to.  :)

On Jun 2, 2025, at 08:28, Rio DeGennaro via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org wrote:

Two separate topics... of course!
The boat... 2008 NT37 custom built.

I am planning to get the 2 lower helm seats re-upholstered but have not the slightest idea of how to remove the seats!  The captain's seat is a double on a fore and aft adjustable slide and the port seat, also a double is fixed.
Directly under the port seat is an a/c unit , the dc breaker panel, and a storage cabinet.

I have not found the access to the shower sump!  Part of the custom build request from the original owner was to increase the size of the shower stall.  the steps down to the berth and head is offset to port of centerline.

Any help with these two issues will be greatly appreciated!

Rio DeGennaro
M/V Ti Amo
37197


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You’re more than welcome! Meant to mention—both AC and DC panels have enough wire that they can be laid flat on the floor once screws are out (sort of like they have a hinge on the bottom). This makes is very convenient to accidentally place your hand across multiple buses of live voltage! But seriously, very handy to have them secure when doing other things. The more I work on my tug (and I’ve worked on almost every part of it), the more I appreciate the thought that went into its design and layout behind the scenes. My one really difficult chore is changing a stern thruster shear pin in the swim step... See you at the rendezvous? b/nessie 37-202 > On Jun 3, 2025, at 04:45, Rio DeGennaro via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: > > Ben... Thanks so much for the seat solution!! > It is the AC panel. My fingers were faster than my brain! > > Rio > From: Ben McCafferty via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > Sent: Monday, June 2, 2025 11:37 AM > To: South East Nordic Tugs Owners' Association (SENTOA) <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > Cc: Ben McCafferty <bmacpiper@me.com> > Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Helm seats and shower sump > > P.S. Unless your boat is really unusual—under the port seat is the AC panel, not the DC one. Which matters because it can kill you, where the DC is less likely to. :) > > >> On Jun 2, 2025, at 08:28, Rio DeGennaro via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: >> >> Two separate topics... of course! >> The boat... 2008 NT37 custom built. >> >> I am planning to get the 2 lower helm seats re-upholstered but have not the slightest idea of how to remove the seats! The captain's seat is a double on a fore and aft adjustable slide and the port seat, also a double is fixed. >> Directly under the port seat is an a/c unit , the dc breaker panel, and a storage cabinet. >> >> I have not found the access to the shower sump! Part of the custom build request from the original owner was to increase the size of the shower stall. the steps down to the berth and head is offset to port of centerline. >> >> Any help with these two issues will be greatly appreciated! >> >> Rio DeGennaro >> M/V Ti Amo >> 37197 >> _______________________________________________ >> Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org> > _______________________________________________ > Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org>
RC
Richard Cohen
Tue, Jun 3, 2025 2:06 PM

When tipping the distribution panels down to lay horizontally it is easy to scratch up the bottom and side wooden rails of the recessed opening.  Someone did that on my NT37-079 and I am sure I made it worse when I did some wiring and added new LED tape backlighting to the panel.  The wiring does make moving  the switch panel awkward.  I have noticed the same scratching in our current NT42.

I recommend a layer or two of blue tape along the bottom and part way up the sides.

Richard Cohen
508-265-7277

Typed with my thumbs and voice to text, please excuse any typos  and the brevity.


From: Ben McCafferty via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2025 9:26:53 AM
To: South East Nordic Tugs Owners' Association (SENTOA) sentoa@lists.sentoa.org
Cc: Rio DeGennaro riodeg22@gmail.com; Ben McCafferty bmacpiper@me.com
Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Helm seats and shower sump

You’re more than welcome! Meant to mention—both AC and DC panels have enough wire that they can be laid flat on the floor once screws are out (sort of like they have a hinge on the bottom). This makes is very convenient to accidentally place your hand across multiple buses of live voltage! But seriously, very handy to have them secure when doing other things. The more I work on my tug (and I’ve worked on almost every part of it), the more I appreciate the thought that went into its design and layout behind the scenes. My one really difficult chore is changing a stern thruster shear pin in the swim step...
See you at the rendezvous?
b/nessie 37-202

On Jun 3, 2025, at 04:45, Rio DeGennaro via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org wrote:

Ben... Thanks so much for the seat solution!!
It is the AC panel.  My fingers were faster than my brain!

Rio


From: Ben McCafferty via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2025 11:37 AM
To: South East Nordic Tugs Owners' Association (SENTOA) sentoa@lists.sentoa.org
Cc: Ben McCafferty bmacpiper@me.com
Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Helm seats and shower sump

P.S. Unless your boat is really unusual—under the port seat is the AC panel, not the DC one. Which matters because it can kill you, where the DC is less likely to.  :)

On Jun 2, 2025, at 08:28, Rio DeGennaro via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org wrote:

Two separate topics... of course!
The boat... 2008 NT37 custom built.

I am planning to get the 2 lower helm seats re-upholstered but have not the slightest idea of how to remove the seats!  The captain's seat is a double on a fore and aft adjustable slide and the port seat, also a double is fixed.
Directly under the port seat is an a/c unit , the dc breaker panel, and a storage cabinet.

I have not found the access to the shower sump!  Part of the custom build request from the original owner was to increase the size of the shower stall.  the steps down to the berth and head is offset to port of centerline.

Any help with these two issues will be greatly appreciated!

Rio DeGennaro
M/V Ti Amo
37197


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When tipping the distribution panels down to lay horizontally it is easy to scratch up the bottom and side wooden rails of the recessed opening. Someone did that on my NT37-079 and I am sure I made it worse when I did some wiring and added new LED tape backlighting to the panel. The wiring does make moving the switch panel awkward. I have noticed the same scratching in our current NT42. I recommend a layer or two of blue tape along the bottom and part way up the sides. Richard Cohen 508-265-7277 Typed with my thumbs and voice to text, please excuse any typos and the brevity. ________________________________ From: Ben McCafferty via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2025 9:26:53 AM To: South East Nordic Tugs Owners' Association (SENTOA) <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> Cc: Rio DeGennaro <riodeg22@gmail.com>; Ben McCafferty <bmacpiper@me.com> Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Helm seats and shower sump You’re more than welcome! Meant to mention—both AC and DC panels have enough wire that they can be laid flat on the floor once screws are out (sort of like they have a hinge on the bottom). This makes is very convenient to accidentally place your hand across multiple buses of live voltage! But seriously, very handy to have them secure when doing other things. The more I work on my tug (and I’ve worked on almost every part of it), the more I appreciate the thought that went into its design and layout behind the scenes. My one really difficult chore is changing a stern thruster shear pin in the swim step... See you at the rendezvous? b/nessie 37-202 On Jun 3, 2025, at 04:45, Rio DeGennaro via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: Ben... Thanks so much for the seat solution!! It is the AC panel. My fingers were faster than my brain! Rio ________________________________ From: Ben McCafferty via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> Sent: Monday, June 2, 2025 11:37 AM To: South East Nordic Tugs Owners' Association (SENTOA) <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> Cc: Ben McCafferty <bmacpiper@me.com> Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Helm seats and shower sump P.S. Unless your boat is really unusual—under the port seat is the AC panel, not the DC one. Which matters because it can kill you, where the DC is less likely to. :) On Jun 2, 2025, at 08:28, Rio DeGennaro via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: Two separate topics... of course! The boat... 2008 NT37 custom built. I am planning to get the 2 lower helm seats re-upholstered but have not the slightest idea of how to remove the seats! The captain's seat is a double on a fore and aft adjustable slide and the port seat, also a double is fixed. Directly under the port seat is an a/c unit , the dc breaker panel, and a storage cabinet. I have not found the access to the shower sump! Part of the custom build request from the original owner was to increase the size of the shower stall. the steps down to the berth and head is offset to port of centerline. Any help with these two issues will be greatly appreciated! Rio DeGennaro M/V Ti Amo 37197 _______________________________________________ Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org<mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org<mailto:sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org> _______________________________________________ Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org<mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org<mailto:sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org>