Recommendations for a Nordic Tug 32 Survey?
Hello. We are pending on Hot Sauce (32). Looking for any recommendations
for a proper survey. Jason 503-997-7818
If you are looking for a surveyor you will need to provide some sort of clue to where you are.
If you are looking for a list things to survey then the chosen surveyor will be the best source. There is also a ton of stuff on line.
Finally, there are specific issues for each Nordic Tug model, but a lot depends on the age of the boat. Older boats always have concerns over water intrusion in the upper deck and around the pilot house.
If you provide a bit more detail you will get lots of answers.
Gene Fuller
Yorkshire Rose
NT 37-136
Hi Jason,
Welcome to the Nordic Tug family. Gene is totally correct. Not enough info provided for us to be of much help. However, there are indications that the boat has been cared for, better yet, it has been loved. One indication is the ER and engine. Is the engine covered in rust and/or oil and grease, or can you practically eat off of it?? Only an indication, but if the owner takes really good care of the engine and room, that usually means (at least better odds) that he cares for his boat. General appearances can "tell a story".
You need to find a good surveyor (check for references) and a good mechanic to carefully go over the boat. This is usually very area specific.
Good luck,
Tom Easterbrook
formerly Pilitak NT 37-068
Nanaimo, BC
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Hello. We are pending on Hot Sauce (32). Looking for any recommendations for a proper survey. Jason 503-997-7818
Jason in addition to the great advice above I also hired a Cummins engine tech in addition to a surveyor located here in Traverse City Michigan when I purchased my 2000 Nordic 37 last fall. He spent about 4 hours going over every aspect of my Cummins 330 in the slip and on the water. Good luck.
John Pardington
NT 37 Lisa Marie
Traverse City MI
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On Sep 22, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Fire Fighter via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org wrote:
Hi Jason,
Welcome to the Nordic Tug family. Gene is totally correct. Not enough info provided for us to be of much help. However, there are indications that the boat has been cared for, better yet, it has been loved. One indication is the ER and engine. Is the engine covered in rust and/or oil and grease, or can you practically eat off of it?? Only an indication, but if the owner takes really good care of the engine and room, that usually means (at least better odds) that he cares for his boat. General appearances can "tell a story".
You need to find a good surveyor (check for references) and a good mechanic to carefully go over the boat. This is usually very area specific.
Good luck,
Tom Easterbrook
formerly Pilitak NT 37-068
Nanaimo, BC
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Lots of good advice offered so far, If the tug has a few years and hours
on it, I'd look at the service and preventive maintenance records on the
systems.
Some things that come to mind are:
- Water heater replacement We replaced ours)
- Dripless shaft seal (we replaced ours)
- Rudder post seal
- Heat Exchangers replaced or serviced. (We replaced ours)
- Fluid changes (annual or 100hours). This isn't optional
- Water cooled elbow, after 15yrs or so (We replaced ours)
- Other similar systems
- Generator service records
- Age of batteries
There's more, but this provides some of the things I'd be looking for. I
find that boat surveys tend to be high level and not down to the detail I'd
expect, more a checklist with a couple core moisture tests. I've seen some
that read more like a check list - "Turned on bilge pump, appears to
function as intended" and they go through every switch and system which is
something anyone with a good mechanical aptitude can perform.
Since the Cummins is the single most expensive system in the boat, as
suggested by John and Tom. It's a great idea to have a Cummins mechanic
come down to perform his checks and take a sample of the oil to send out to
Blackstone labs to get an idea on any abnormal wear in the engine.
David Mackey
NT32-162
Eritad
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My apologies, folks. I am still learning how to best utilize the list serve. I hope this reply works correctly. First, thank you all so much for the warm welcome and for the advice. My (soon to be father in law) and I are currently under contract to purchase Hot Sauce 032-99. The boat is currently located in Louisiana. I live in Portland, Oregon and my father in law is in Kansas. What attracted us to this particular vessel is it’s one owner status, river kept and what appears to be a well kept Nordic. The real fun is about to begin though - survey, sea test, decision.
On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:11 AM, john pardington via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org wrote:
Jason in addition to the great advice above I also hired a Cummins engine tech in addition to a surveyor located here in Traverse City Michigan when I purchased my 2000 Nordic 37 last fall. He spent about 4 hours going over every aspect of my Cummins 330 in the slip and on the water. Good luck.
John Pardington
NT 37 Lisa Marie
Traverse City MI
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On Sep 22, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Fire Fighter via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org wrote:
Hi Jason,
Welcome to the Nordic Tug family. Gene is totally correct. Not enough info provided for us to be of much help. However, there are indications that the boat has been cared for, better yet, it has been loved. One indication is the ER and engine. Is the engine covered in rust and/or oil and grease, or can you practically eat off of it?? Only an indication, but if the owner takes really good care of the engine and room, that usually means (at least better odds) that he cares for his boat. General appearances can "tell a story".
You need to find a good surveyor (check for references) and a good mechanic to carefully go over the boat. This is usually very area specific.
Good luck,
Tom Easterbrook
formerly Pilitak NT 37-068
Nanaimo, BC
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I sold my 32-36 two years ago afte picking it up in Seattle at the factory and cruising to Vancouver and Victoria ply the San Juan islands and then shipping it via truck to Miami . Cruised the keys , Abacus and multiple trips to Bimini. 30 years later I sold it . Cummins 250 ho 6bta and northern light gen . Took excellent care of changing all fluids and filters every 40 to 50 hours . Never had a breakdown . You are buying a great , well built boat . Congratulations and remember the Cummins us a great engine Just maintain it
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My apologies, folks. I am still learning how to best utilize the list serve. I hope this reply works correctly. First, thank you all so much for the warm welcome and for the advice. My (soon to be father in law) and I are currently under contract to purchase Hot Sauce 032-99. The boat is currently located in Louisiana. I live in Portland, Oregon and my father in law is in Kansas. What attracted us to this particular vessel is it’s one owner status, river kept and what appears to be a well kept Nordic. The real fun is about to begin though - survey, sea test, decision.
On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:11 AM, john pardington via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org wrote:
Jason in addition to the great advice above I also hired a Cummins engine tech in addition to a surveyor located here in Traverse City Michigan when I purchased my 2000 Nordic 37 last fall. He spent about 4 hours going over every aspect of my Cummins 330 in the slip and on the water. Good luck.
John Pardington NT 37 Lisa MarieTraverse City MI
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On Sep 22, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Fire Fighter via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org wrote:
Hi Jason,Welcome to the Nordic Tug family. Gene is totally correct. Not enough info provided for us to be of much help. However, there are indications that the boat has been cared for, better yet, it has been loved. One indication is the ER and engine. Is the engine covered in rust and/or oil and grease, or can you practically eat off of it?? Only an indication, but if the owner takes really good care of the engine and room, that usually means (at least better odds) that he cares for his boat. General appearances can "tell a story".
You need to find a good surveyor (check for references) and a good mechanic to carefully go over the boat. This is usually very area specific.Good luck,Tom Easterbrookformerly Pilitak NT 37-068Nanaimo, BC
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Jason,
A one owner, freshwater kept boat is a big plus. Being one owner, he should be able to tell or show records about all the critical maintenance that has (or has not been done). Being an older model, hopefully he has fairly recently changed the shaft seal, the cutlass bearings, the rudder seal, serviced and pressure tested not only the coolant (antifreeze side) but also the raw water cooling components (pump, fuel cooler, aftercooler (very important if it has one), transmission oil cooler, and heat exchanger. All of these components should be pressure tested as part of the servicing. You want the water, air, oil, etc. to stay only where it is supposed to and not "mix". :) Even in freshwater, this servicing should be done at least every 6-7 years. The exhaust elbow can also be an issue, and if original, I would change it out right away (despite it being freshwater operated). If an original (design) Cummins elbow, when (not if) it fails internally, it can let water get into the turbo (if it has one) or worse yet even into the engine exhaust itself. Worse case, leading to an engine rebuild. There are articles under the Sentoa webpage "maintenance section" about the "issues" surrounding exhaust elbows. Before you replace it, look that info up (especially the article by Kelly Britz)!! Aftercoolers require fairly regular off engine maintenance (every 3 or so years, could go a bit longer due to freshwater use) with a complete cleaning of both the water and air sides, new O rings, assembled with a good amount of grease to reduce future corrosion and aid in future disassembly, and very importantly pressure tested. If this aftercooler maintenance is neglected, it can mean complete replacement which in and of itself can be fairly expensive, but if it develops internal leaks, your engine could be ingested water with the air leading to really big problems down the road. There is alot of good, free, info on these engines on Tony Athens' website sbmar.com in his forums and under "Tony's Tips".
Similar (but usually lessor) maintenance required for the generator, so ask lots of questions and ask to see records (hopefully he has some).
Batteries require replacement at the 5-8 year mark (sooner if owner abused). Ask about their age, as all of these maintenance type costs can add up. If you and/or your father in law are DIY types, your costs for this type of work will be quite a bit lower, as labour is usually the most costly item. If not, count on keeping at least $20,000+ aside to spend on repairs, missed or questionable maintenance, with some for upgrades/updates (depending on what is there and what you desire and can afford).
Make sure that your surveyor carefully checks the decks, roofs, etc. for any signs of moisture and/or delamination. This type of repair can be quite expensive, and you would definitely want to know if that is evident on a "new to you" boat.
Boat ownership is not inexpensive, and you need to be aware of that going into it. However, for most of us, the rewards are worth it!! Nordic Tugs are great, well made, dependable boats. But even they require regular, quality maintenance.
I wish you both the best in your new adventures, and try to enjoy all aspects of this "journey".
Best,
Tom Easterbrook
formerly Pilitak NT 37-068
Nanaimo, BC
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My apologies, folks. I am still learning how to best utilize the list serve. I hope this reply works correctly. First, thank you all so much for the warm welcome and for the advice. My (soon to be father in law) and I are currently under contract to purchase Hot Sauce 032-99. The boat is currently located in Louisiana. I live in Portland, Oregon and my father in law is in Kansas. What attracted us to this particular vessel is it’s one owner status, river kept and what appears to be a well kept Nordic. The real fun is about to begin though - survey, sea test, decision.
On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:11 AM, john pardington via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.orgmailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote:
Jason in addition to the great advice above I also hired a Cummins engine tech in addition to a surveyor located here in Traverse City Michigan when I purchased my 2000 Nordic 37 last fall. He spent about 4 hours going over every aspect of my Cummins 330 in the slip and on the water. Good luck.
John Pardington
NT 37 Lisa Marie
Traverse City MI
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On Sep 22, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Fire Fighter via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.orgmailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote:
Hi Jason,
Welcome to the Nordic Tug family. Gene is totally correct. Not enough info provided for us to be of much help. However, there are indications that the boat has been cared for, better yet, it has been loved. One indication is the ER and engine. Is the engine covered in rust and/or oil and grease, or can you practically eat off of it?? Only an indication, but if the owner takes really good care of the engine and room, that usually means (at least better odds) that he cares for his boat. General appearances can "tell a story".
You need to find a good surveyor (check for references) and a good mechanic to carefully go over the boat. This is usually very area specific.
Good luck,
Tom Easterbrook
formerly Pilitak NT 37-068
Nanaimo, BC
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