I was wondering if others have had seepage from their hot water safety relief valve, particularly if running at relatively high RPM. There is not a lot, but in say a four hour run, we’ll get a good cup of water into the bilge. Any suggestions for a fix other than replacing the valve? I had the same situation at home with an electric water heater and a new relief valve still leaked from time to time.
Thanks,
Lee Tuthill
Encore, NT-37 #190
Lee,
As you are probably aware, this valve is designed to relief pressure, and running long periods at high RPM could lead to high(er) temperatures. A cup of water is not a lot of water. Personally, I would just put up with it, but keep an eye on it. You are correct, replacing the valve does not guarantee any change??
Good luck,
Tom Easterbrook
formerly Pilitak NT 37-068
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I was wondering if others have had seepage from their hot water safety relief valve, particularly if running at relatively high RPM. There is not a lot, but in say a four hour run, we’ll get a good cup of water into the bilge. Any suggestions for a fix other than replacing the valve? I had the same situation at home with an electric water heater and a new relief valve still leaked from time to time.
Thanks,
Lee Tuthill
Encore, NT-37 #190
The seepage is most likely caused by the increase in water temperature when
heated by engine (180-190) vs. electric element (140). There is a check
valve on the inlet to the water heater, and if no hot water is used
underway, the water expands and has nowhere to go except thru the valve.
Same thing can happen upon initial heating of water in a cold tank.
Solution is to run a little hot water periodically to relieve excess
pressure until tank has reach higher temperature, or place a plastic cup
under the drain. I do the latter and usually collect a few ounces over the
course of a week.
David Boyuka
"Tina Marie"
42-073
On Sun, Aug 29, 2021, 8:56 PM Lee Tuthill via Sentoa <
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I was wondering if others have had seepage from their hot water safety
relief valve, particularly if running at relatively high RPM. There is not
a lot, but in say a four hour run, we’ll get a good cup of water into the
bilge. Any suggestions for a fix other than replacing the valve? I had
the same situation at home with an electric water heater and a new relief
valve still leaked from time to time.
Thanks,
Lee Tuthill
Encore, NT-37 #190
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Just replaced my pressure/temperature relief valve. Before that action, tank room bilge was always wet. Confirmed that water only coming from water heater relief hose. I added a small plastic pan that I could empty easily using a kids toy super soaker device. Balance of bilge now completely dry. Pressure/ temperature relief valve set to 150 degrees F and 210 PSI. Now almost all of the seepage is from running the engine; operating temperature is 185 degrees F. Plastic pan fills up much more slowly now. Changing the valve was easy and inexpensive.
Carey CookTug LeeLoo37-122 (2005)Racine, WI
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#yiv6876481521 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Lee,As you are probably aware, this valve is designed to relief pressure, and running long periods at high RPM could lead to high(er) temperatures. A cup of water is not a lot of water. Personally, I would just put up with it, but keep an eye on it. You are correct, replacing the valve does not guarantee any change??Good luck,Tom Easterbrookformerly Pilitak NT 37-068
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Subject: [Sentoa] Leaking hot water safety release valve I was wondering if others have had seepage from their hot water safety relief valve, particularly if running at relatively high RPM. There is not a lot, but in say a four hour run, we’ll get a good cup of water into the bilge. Any suggestions for a fix other than replacing the valve? I had the same situation at home with an electric water heater and a new relief valve still leaked from time to time.
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I replaced the pressure/ temperature relief valve but it didn’t solve the
problem so
I extended the hose and ran it forward through the engine room to the grey
water tank.
Problem solved!
Harvey Keats
Ramblin Rose III
37-211
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Just replaced my pressure/temperature relief valve. Before that action,
tank room bilge was always wet. Confirmed that water only coming from
water heater relief hose. I added a small plastic pan that I could empty
easily using a kids toy super soaker device. Balance of bilge now
completely dry. Pressure/ temperature relief valve set to 150 degrees F
and 210 PSI. Now almost all of the seepage is from running the engine;
operating temperature is 185 degrees F. Plastic pan fills up much more
slowly now. Changing the valve was easy and inexpensive.
Carey Cook
Tug LeeLoo
37-122 (2005)
Racine, WI
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Lee,
As you are probably aware, this valve is designed to relief pressure, and
running long periods at high RPM could lead to high(er) temperatures. A cup
of water is not a lot of water. Personally, I would just put up with it,
but keep an eye on it. You are correct, replacing the valve does not
guarantee any change??
Good luck,
Tom Easterbrook
formerly Pilitak NT 37-068
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Subject: [Sentoa] Leaking hot water safety release valve
I was wondering if others have had seepage from their hot water safety
relief valve, particularly if running at relatively high RPM. There is not
a lot, but in say a four hour run, we’ll get a good cup of water into the
bilge. Any suggestions for a fix other than replacing the valve? I had
the same situation at home with an electric water heater and a new relief
valve still leaked from time to time.
Thanks,
Lee Tuthill
Encore, NT-37 #190
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The seeping is normal behavior for a pressure relief valve as the water
in the tank expands as it heats up . Either dont worry about the 1/2 cup
of water in your bilge or install an expansion tank on the cold side of
the water heater. If you choose to install an expansion tank and have a
check valve before the water hater on the cold inlet, you will have to
drill a small hole in the door of it or just remove it as it doesn't
really serve any purpose..
On 8/29/2021 6:37 PM, David Boyuka via Sentoa wrote:
The seepage is most likely caused by the increase in water temperature
when heated by engine (180-190) vs. electric element (140). There is
a check valve on the inlet to the water heater, and if no hot water is
used underway, the water expands and has nowhere to go except thru the
valve. Same thing can happen upon initial heating of water in a cold
tank.
Solution is to run a little hot water periodically to relieve excess
pressure until tank has reach higher temperature, or place a plastic
cup under the drain. I do the latter and usually collect a few ounces
over the course of a week.
David Boyuka
"Tina Marie"
42-073
On Sun, Aug 29, 2021, 8:56 PM Lee Tuthill via Sentoa
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I was wondering if others have had seepage from their hot water
safety relief valve, particularly if running at relatively high
RPM. There is not a lot, but in say a four hour run, we’ll get a
good cup of water into the bilge. Any suggestions for a fix other
than replacing the valve? I had the same situation at home with
an electric water heater and a new relief valve still leaked from
time to time.
Thanks,
Lee Tuthill
/Encore/, NT-37 #190
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We just experienced this same problem, and replaced the pressure/temperature relief valve. The old valve (most probably original on our 2004 NT 32) had a fair amount of lime build-up on the interior of the valve.
The new valve leaked a small amount. I read the manual on the water heater and learned that it was designed to maintain a small air space at the top of the tank to accommodate the expanded volume of the heated water. As the water eventually absorbs the air, the tank must be completely drained annually to restore the air space. I drained the tank and the problem was solved.
Hope this helps.
Harry Hungate
Bessie NT 32-238
Now on Ft. Loudon Lake, TN headed west.
On Aug 30, 2021, at 12:54 PM, Scott Duncan via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org wrote:
The seeping is normal behavior for a pressure relief valve as the water in the tank expands as it heats up . Either dont worry about the 1/2 cup of water in your bilge or install an expansion tank on the cold side of the water heater. If you choose to install an expansion tank and have a check valve before the water hater on the cold inlet, you will have to drill a small hole in the door of it or just remove it as it doesn't really serve any purpose..
On 8/29/2021 6:37 PM, David Boyuka via Sentoa wrote:
The seepage is most likely caused by the increase in water temperature when heated by engine (180-190) vs. electric element (140). There is a check valve on the inlet to the water heater, and if no hot water is used underway, the water expands and has nowhere to go except thru the valve. Same thing can happen upon initial heating of water in a cold tank.
Solution is to run a little hot water periodically to relieve excess pressure until tank has reach higher temperature, or place a plastic cup under the drain. I do the latter and usually collect a few ounces over the course of a week.
David Boyuka
"Tina Marie"
42-073
On Sun, Aug 29, 2021, 8:56 PM Lee Tuthill via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org wrote:
I was wondering if others have had seepage from their hot water safety relief valve, particularly if running at relatively high RPM. There is not a lot, but in say a four hour run, we’ll get a good cup of water into the bilge. Any suggestions for a fix other than replacing the valve? I had the same situation at home with an electric water heater and a new relief valve still leaked from time to time.
Thanks,
Lee Tuthill
Encore, NT-37 #190
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Personally, I think that these valves will most likely leak a small amount when the tank is heated to 180 degrees (plus) while underway. They are for "over pressure" and "over temp" protection. A few years ago I replaced the existing water heater due to failure of the old unit. Both units experienced this slight leakage, and I empty the tank completely for the winter each year, and it still leaks next season. I just mopped up the water periodically and did not worry about it. You could put hose on it and direct the small amount of leakage to a container to make "clean up" easier???
Tom Easterbrook
formerly Pilitak NT 37-068
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We just experienced this same problem, and replaced the pressure/temperature relief valve. The old valve (most probably original on our 2004 NT 32) had a fair amount of lime build-up on the interior of the valve.
The new valve leaked a small amount. I read the manual on the water heater and learned that it was designed to maintain a small air space at the top of the tank to accommodate the expanded volume of the heated water. As the water eventually absorbs the air, the tank must be completely drained annually to restore the air space. I drained the tank and the problem was solved.
Hope this helps.
Harry Hungate
Bessie NT 32-238
Now on Ft. Loudon Lake, TN headed west.
On Aug 30, 2021, at 12:54 PM, Scott Duncan via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org wrote:
The seeping is normal behavior for a pressure relief valve as the water in the tank expands as it heats up . Either dont worry about the 1/2 cup of water in your bilge or install an expansion tank on the cold side of the water heater. If you choose to install an expansion tank and have a check valve before the water hater on the cold inlet, you will have to drill a small hole in the door of it or just remove it as it doesn't really serve any purpose..
On 8/29/2021 6:37 PM, David Boyuka via Sentoa wrote:
The seepage is most likely caused by the increase in water temperature when heated by engine (180-190) vs. electric element (140). There is a check valve on the inlet to the water heater, and if no hot water is used underway, the water expands and has nowhere to go except thru the valve. Same thing can happen upon initial heating of water in a cold tank.
Solution is to run a little hot water periodically to relieve excess pressure until tank has reach higher temperature, or place a plastic cup under the drain. I do the latter and usually collect a few ounces over the course of a week.
David Boyuka
"Tina Marie"
42-073
On Sun, Aug 29, 2021, 8:56 PM Lee Tuthill via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.orgmailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote:
I was wondering if others have had seepage from their hot water safety relief valve, particularly if running at relatively high RPM. There is not a lot, but in say a four hour run, we’ll get a good cup of water into the bilge. Any suggestions for a fix other than replacing the valve? I had the same situation at home with an electric water heater and a new relief valve still leaked from time to time.
Thanks,
Lee Tuthill
Encore, NT-37 #190
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