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Philip Syrrist
Sat, Sep 4, 2021 12:57 PM

Nt 32/2000 none flybridgde
How many people can we construction wise safely have seated still on the topp deck ?

philip
msnola
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Bruno, 32-190 is green with an ivory stripe.  I cleaned and dewaxed it then applied 6 coats of Poli-Glo the 4 years ago.  Every year I give it a good wash and apply 2 coats.  The faded green looks really good.  I was a skeptic of Poli-Glo but after compounding 2 previous boats my shoulders were shot so I gave it a try.  It has worked well the last 4 years.  Bruno is only in the water about 5 months and stored inside for the winter, so I don’t know how Poli -Glo would hold up in a southern climate.

Chris Tassone

Bruno NT 32-190

Traverse City, MI

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Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Restoring Colored Inlay

Has anyone tried to use vinyl wrap for the stripe?

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 8:54 PM Jon Paulus via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > wrote:

When we purchased our tug, 32-161, the trim was red and had faded to pink. We had experience trying to reclaim dark colors of faded gel oat that were less than satt. We opted to change the color to blue and had it professionally resprayed. Just the red stripe, red boot stripe and  fakestack top. Would 100% do it again.

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On Sep 1, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Henry Gamsby via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > wrote:

My NT37-90 is showing pretty dull in the green inlay/stripe. Was wondering how successful people have been in restoring the shine with compounding and polishing with a buffer. Looks to be simply gelcoat. Id rather restore if possible then have it painted.

LYRA

NT37-90

Henry Gamsby

Fairhaven, MA


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Nt 32/2000 none flybridgde How many people can we construction wise safely have seated still on the topp deck ? philip msnola westport ct Philip Syrrist (on the mobile) 2039186467 Usa philip.syrrist@gmail.com > On Sep 3, 2021, at 3:30 AM, sentoa-request@lists.sentoa.org wrote: > > Send Sentoa mailing list submissions to > sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > sentoa-request@lists.sentoa.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sentoa-owner@lists.sentoa.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Sentoa digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Restoring Colored Inlay (Chris Tassone) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 08:29:51 -0400 > From: "Chris Tassone" <ctassone@charter.net> > Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Restoring Colored Inlay > To: "'South East Nordic Tugs Owners' Association \(SENTOA\)'" > <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > Message-ID: <001901d79ff6$3a278a40$ae769ec0$@charter.net> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01D79FD4.B31770E0" > > Bruno, 32-190 is green with an ivory stripe. I cleaned and dewaxed it then applied 6 coats of Poli-Glo the 4 years ago. Every year I give it a good wash and apply 2 coats. The faded green looks really good. I was a skeptic of Poli-Glo but after compounding 2 previous boats my shoulders were shot so I gave it a try. It has worked well the last 4 years. Bruno is only in the water about 5 months and stored inside for the winter, so I don’t know how Poli -Glo would hold up in a southern climate. > > > > Chris Tassone > > Bruno NT 32-190 > > Traverse City, MI > > > > From: David Boyuka via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 9:29 PM > To: South East Nordic Tugs Owners' Association (SENTOA) <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > Cc: David Boyuka <david.boyuka@gmail.com> > Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Restoring Colored Inlay > > > > Has anyone tried to use vinyl wrap for the stripe? > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 8:54 PM Jon Paulus via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > wrote: > > When we purchased our tug, 32-161, the trim was red and had faded to pink. We had experience trying to reclaim dark colors of faded gel oat that were less than satt. We opted to change the color to blue and had it professionally resprayed. Just the red stripe, red boot stripe and fakestack top. Would 100% do it again. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 1, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Henry Gamsby via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > wrote: >> >> My NT37-90 is showing pretty dull in the green inlay/stripe. Was wondering how successful people have been in restoring the shine with compounding and polishing with a buffer. Looks to be simply gelcoat. Id rather restore if possible then have it painted. >> >> LYRA >> >> NT37-90 >> >> Henry Gamsby >> >> Fairhaven, MA >> _______________________________________________ >> Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org> > _______________________________________________ > Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org> > >
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Fire Fighter
Sat, Sep 4, 2021 2:44 PM

I honestly don't know "technically" how many the boat will take, but, one time we sat with a total of 8 people on the top deck of another NT 37. There wasn't a whole lot more room to comfortably fit more up there. This boat did not have a flybridge and we were at a dock.
How many do you want to try to "put up there"?
The technical answer should probably come from the factory.
Regards,
Tom Easterbrook


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Subject: [Sentoa] peoples on top deck

Nt 32/2000 none flybridgde
How many people can we construction wise safely have seated still on the topp deck ?

philip
msnola
westport ct

Philip Syrrist
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2039186467
Usa

philip.syrrist@gmail.com

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Bruno, 32-190 is green with an ivory stripe.  I cleaned and dewaxed it then applied 6 coats of Poli-Glo the 4 years ago.  Every year I give it a good wash and apply 2 coats.  The faded green looks really good.  I was a skeptic of Poli-Glo but after compounding 2 previous boats my shoulders were shot so I gave it a try.  It has worked well the last 4 years.  Bruno is only in the water about 5 months and stored inside for the winter, so I don’t know how Poli -Glo would hold up in a southern climate.

Chris Tassone

Bruno NT 32-190

Traverse City, MI

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Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Restoring Colored Inlay

Has anyone tried to use vinyl wrap for the stripe?

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 8:54 PM Jon Paulus via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > wrote:

When we purchased our tug, 32-161, the trim was red and had faded to pink. We had experience trying to reclaim dark colors of faded gel oat that were less than satt. We opted to change the color to blue and had it professionally resprayed. Just the red stripe, red boot stripe and  fakestack top. Would 100% do it again.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 1, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Henry Gamsby via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > wrote:

My NT37-90 is showing pretty dull in the green inlay/stripe. Was wondering how successful people have been in restoring the shine with compounding and polishing with a buffer. Looks to be simply gelcoat. Id rather restore if possible then have it painted.

LYRA

NT37-90

Henry Gamsby

Fairhaven, MA


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I honestly don't know "technically" how many the boat will take, but, one time we sat with a total of 8 people on the top deck of another NT 37. There wasn't a whole lot more room to comfortably fit more up there. This boat did not have a flybridge and we were at a dock. How many do you want to try to "put up there"? The technical answer should probably come from the factory. Regards, Tom Easterbrook ________________________________ From: Philip Syrrist via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> Sent: September 4, 2021 5:57 AM To: sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> Cc: Philip Syrrist <philip.syrrist@gmail.com> Subject: [Sentoa] peoples on top deck Nt 32/2000 none flybridgde How many people can we construction wise safely have seated still on the topp deck ? philip msnola westport ct Philip Syrrist (on the mobile) 2039186467 Usa philip.syrrist@gmail.com > On Sep 3, 2021, at 3:30 AM, sentoa-request@lists.sentoa.org wrote: > > Send Sentoa mailing list submissions to > sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > sentoa-request@lists.sentoa.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sentoa-owner@lists.sentoa.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Sentoa digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Restoring Colored Inlay (Chris Tassone) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 08:29:51 -0400 > From: "Chris Tassone" <ctassone@charter.net> > Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Restoring Colored Inlay > To: "'South East Nordic Tugs Owners' Association \(SENTOA\)'" > <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > Message-ID: <001901d79ff6$3a278a40$ae769ec0$@charter.net> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01D79FD4.B31770E0" > > Bruno, 32-190 is green with an ivory stripe. I cleaned and dewaxed it then applied 6 coats of Poli-Glo the 4 years ago. Every year I give it a good wash and apply 2 coats. The faded green looks really good. I was a skeptic of Poli-Glo but after compounding 2 previous boats my shoulders were shot so I gave it a try. It has worked well the last 4 years. Bruno is only in the water about 5 months and stored inside for the winter, so I don’t know how Poli -Glo would hold up in a southern climate. > > > > Chris Tassone > > Bruno NT 32-190 > > Traverse City, MI > > > > From: David Boyuka via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 9:29 PM > To: South East Nordic Tugs Owners' Association (SENTOA) <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > Cc: David Boyuka <david.boyuka@gmail.com> > Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Restoring Colored Inlay > > > > Has anyone tried to use vinyl wrap for the stripe? > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 8:54 PM Jon Paulus via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > wrote: > > When we purchased our tug, 32-161, the trim was red and had faded to pink. We had experience trying to reclaim dark colors of faded gel oat that were less than satt. We opted to change the color to blue and had it professionally resprayed. Just the red stripe, red boot stripe and fakestack top. Would 100% do it again. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 1, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Henry Gamsby via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > wrote: >> >> My NT37-90 is showing pretty dull in the green inlay/stripe. Was wondering how successful people have been in restoring the shine with compounding and polishing with a buffer. Looks to be simply gelcoat. Id rather restore if possible then have it painted. >> >> LYRA >> >> NT37-90 >> >> Henry Gamsby >> >> Fairhaven, MA >> _______________________________________________ >> Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org> > _______________________________________________ > Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org> > > -------------- next part -------------- > A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... > Name: not available > Type: text/html > Size: 4747 bytes > Desc: not available > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Sentoa Digest, Vol 124, Issue 2 > ************************************** _______________________________________________ Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org
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NT 32 here. Recently while on an outing with our yacht club, we took a group picture. I suppose there were 25 people on the boat, with about twelve of them on the top deck. During covid isolation, I sat five of my buddies on the sun deck in folding chairs. Never detected a sag or groan from the boat. I don't leave anyone up there while underway, as I'd hate to have them fling off when I hit a boat wake or something. 
On Saturday, September 4, 2021, 10:45:16 AM EDT, Fire Fighter via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org wrote:

I honestly don't know "technically" how many the boat will take, but, one time we sat with a total of 8 people on the top deck of another NT 37. There wasn't a whole lot more room to comfortably fit more up there. This boat did not have a flybridge and we were at a dock.
How many do you want to try to "put up there"?The technical answer should probably come from the factory.Regards,Tom Easterbrook

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Subject: [Sentoa] peoples on top deck Nt 32/2000 none flybridgde
How many people can we construction wise safely have seated still on the topp deck ?

philip
msnola
westport ct

Philip Syrrist
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2039186467
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philip.syrrist@gmail.com

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Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Restoring Colored Inlay
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Bruno, 32-190 is green with an ivory stripe.  I cleaned and dewaxed it then applied 6 coats of Poli-Glo the 4 years ago.  Every year I give it a good wash and apply 2 coats.  The faded green looks really good.  I was a skeptic of Poli-Glo but after compounding 2 previous boats my shoulders were shot so I gave it a try.  It has worked well the last 4 years.  Bruno is only in the water about 5 months and stored inside for the winter, so I don’t know how Poli -Glo would hold up in a southern climate.

Chris Tassone

Bruno NT 32-190

Traverse City, MI

From: David Boyuka via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org
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Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Restoring Colored Inlay

Has anyone tried to use vinyl wrap for the stripe?

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 8:54 PM Jon Paulus via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > wrote:

When we purchased our tug, 32-161, the trim was red and had faded to pink. We had experience trying to reclaim dark colors of faded gel oat that were less than satt. We opted to change the color to blue and had it professionally resprayed. Just the red stripe, red boot stripe and  fakestack top. Would 100% do it again.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 1, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Henry Gamsby via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > wrote:

My NT37-90 is showing pretty dull in the green inlay/stripe. Was wondering how successful people have been in restoring the shine with compounding and polishing with a buffer. Looks to be simply gelcoat. Id rather restore if possible then have it painted.

LYRA

NT37-90

Henry Gamsby

Fairhaven, MA


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NT 32 here. Recently while on an outing with our yacht club, we took a group picture. I suppose there were 25 people on the boat, with about twelve of them on the top deck. During covid isolation, I sat five of my buddies on the sun deck in folding chairs. Never detected a sag or groan from the boat. I don't leave anyone up there while underway, as I'd hate to have them fling off when I hit a boat wake or something.  On Saturday, September 4, 2021, 10:45:16 AM EDT, Fire Fighter via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: I honestly don't know "technically" how many the boat will take, but, one time we sat with a total of 8 people on the top deck of another NT 37. There wasn't a whole lot more room to comfortably fit more up there. This boat did not have a flybridge and we were at a dock. How many do you want to try to "put up there"?The technical answer should probably come from the factory.Regards,Tom Easterbrook From: Philip Syrrist via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> Sent: September 4, 2021 5:57 AM To: sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> Cc: Philip Syrrist <philip.syrrist@gmail.com> Subject: [Sentoa] peoples on top deck Nt 32/2000 none flybridgde How many people can we construction wise safely have seated still on the topp deck ? philip msnola westport ct Philip Syrrist (on the mobile) 2039186467 Usa philip.syrrist@gmail.com > On Sep 3, 2021, at 3:30 AM, sentoa-request@lists.sentoa.org wrote: > > Send Sentoa mailing list submissions to >    sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to >    sentoa-request@lists.sentoa.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at >    sentoa-owner@lists.sentoa.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Sentoa digest..." > > Today's Topics: > >   1. Re: Restoring Colored Inlay (Chris Tassone) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 08:29:51 -0400 > From: "Chris Tassone" <ctassone@charter.net> > Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Restoring Colored Inlay > To: "'South East Nordic Tugs Owners' Association \(SENTOA\)'" >    <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > Message-ID: <001901d79ff6$3a278a40$ae769ec0$@charter.net> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >    boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01D79FD4.B31770E0" > > Bruno, 32-190 is green with an ivory stripe.  I cleaned and dewaxed it then applied 6 coats of Poli-Glo the 4 years ago.  Every year I give it a good wash and apply 2 coats.  The faded green looks really good.  I was a skeptic of Poli-Glo but after compounding 2 previous boats my shoulders were shot so I gave it a try.  It has worked well the last 4 years.  Bruno is only in the water about 5 months and stored inside for the winter, so I don’t know how Poli -Glo would hold up in a southern climate. > > > > Chris Tassone > > Bruno NT 32-190 > > Traverse City, MI > > > > From: David Boyuka via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 9:29 PM > To: South East Nordic Tugs Owners' Association (SENTOA) <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > Cc: David Boyuka <david.boyuka@gmail.com> > Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Restoring Colored Inlay > > > > Has anyone tried to use vinyl wrap for the stripe? > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 8:54 PM Jon Paulus via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > wrote: > > When we purchased our tug, 32-161, the trim was red and had faded to pink. We had experience trying to reclaim dark colors of faded gel oat that were less than satt. We opted to change the color to blue and had it professionally resprayed. Just the red stripe, red boot stripe and  fakestack top. Would 100% do it again. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 1, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Henry Gamsby via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > wrote: >> >> My NT37-90 is showing pretty dull in the green inlay/stripe. Was wondering how successful people have been in restoring the shine with compounding and polishing with a buffer. Looks to be simply gelcoat. Id rather restore if possible then have it painted. >> >> LYRA >> >> NT37-90 >> >> Henry Gamsby >> >> Fairhaven, MA >> _______________________________________________ >> Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org> > _______________________________________________ > Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org <mailto:sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org> > >