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Harry Hungate

On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:34 PM, Philip Syrrist via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote:



-Have you installed a Lightening Rod

on a NT 32 ??

Philip

MsNoLa ,Westport Ct
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1. Re: SSB/HF on an NT/coastal cruiser (Lee Corwin)
2. Re: SSB on Nordic Tugs (SVToybox)
3. Re: SSB/HF on an NT/coastal cruiser (Rob Schendel)

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2023 12:59:35 -0500
From: Lee Corwin <lcmdpc@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sentoa] Re: SSB/HF on an NT/coastal cruiser
To: "South East Nordic Tugs Owners' Association (SENTOA)"
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Had a 802 with pacnor modem on last boat. Excellent rig. But coastal not necessary imho. Would spend the money on Starlink.
Hippocampus
NT42

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> On Jan 31, 2023, at 12:46 PM, evan effa via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote:
>
> Hello Miguel,
>
> I would think that your NT-42 would not be crossing oceans and used exclusively for coastal cruising. And limited forays off-shore. Accessing weather information would be far easier using cell based internet or a Starlink system than attempting to download GRIB files through your SSB.
>
> I doubt very much that anyone (apart from ham radio enthusiasts) would see a need for an SSB radio on a coastal cruiser.
>
> -Evan
>
> NT37-148
> Tugaway
> Victoria, BC
>
>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 09:34, P MVKW via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote:
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Clock Work, my 42, had an Icom m710 HF phone/CW/SSB radio when I bought it. A quick search provided no confirmation the previous owner had been licensed though I could have missed it. I did acquire (cut a check) the related license at the outset. That license has no associated exam, which I find puzzling given the amateur service privileges for essentially the same bands absolutely entails testing to at least one of the two upper licensing levels - General, or Amateur Extra, which requires more than a pulse. I don't really see how that radio is a useful option for most NT's for reasons I'll indicate below. Beyond that, I also believe the probability is significant that the next owner is both unlikely to actually need this, and also unlikely (or unable without amateur operating experience) to put the hours in to become useful with it or just get to the point where they can enjoy it exploring DX contacts.
>>
>> Consequently, as I am building up my own amateur inventory and defining what that gear set’s mission will be, one possible option I'm considering is removing my M710 from Clock Work and repurposing it to the mobile/portable end of my fixed/mobile/portable inventory. To work through to a hopefully intelligent decision I’d like to pose some questions to check my understanding. So here goes..
>>
>> Do any NT owners here have a HF/SSB rig on their boat? If so...
>> Did you add it or was it there when you bought the boat?
>> What role does it serve on your boat... Fun (e.g. amateur use)? Operational? In case of emergency? Or never use it (i.e. came with the boat)?
>> If operational or emergency, how does it serve you beyond what your VHF or cell do?
>>
>> That does it for my questions regarding whether removing it from Clock Work makes sense for the boat and the next owner. There will certainly be technical questions I’ll need to explore given that the radio seems to have some quirks about using it effectively in an emergency, amateur role.
>>
>> I’ve composed some bullet points to fill in where my thinking is today… my assumptions/understanding as to how an HF/SSB works in a typical NT could easily be off the mark, and if so I'd love to discover that quickly. Of course, if someone wants to add in some way to the possibilities, please do share. I would appreciate hearing that too. I'm not committed either way to any decision yet but I'm serious. As I am assuming this is a low-interest topic for the population at large, I’ll spare the list and put those additional points up on my site here: https://www.clockwork-usa.com/post/ssb-amateur-on-nt-s-coastal-cruisers
>>
>> Thank you for any thoughts you may have,
>> Miguel
>>
>> --
>> MV Clockwork
>>
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2023 18:28:51 +0000 (UTC)
From: SVToybox <svtoybox@aol.com>
Subject: [Sentoa] Re: SSB on Nordic Tugs
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William L. Bowen4393 Burnham Woods Dr.Franklin, OH 45005Voice & Fax: 513-425-9388Email: SVToybox@aol.comNT32--287 (2007) Moot Point In a message dated 1/31/2023 12:46:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, sentoa-request@lists.sentoa.org writes:
Do any NT owners here have a HF/SSB rig on their boat? If so... - Did you add it or was it there when you bought the boat? We added the SSB when we bought our boat approximately 12 years ago - What role does it serve on your boat... Fun (e.g. amateur use)? Operational? In case of emergency? Or never use it (i.e. came with the boat)? We use it less now than 12 years ago when we first installed it because cell phone service has greatly expanded since then, however, cell phone service is still grossly inadequate for any type of communication or emergency beyond 10 or 15 miles from a populated land mass. SSB is still very useful for sending free email if you have an attached Pactor modem as well as receiving GIBB weather maps, emergency communication, joining localized Ham nets and pleasure DX contacts. We use our NT for cruising everything from inland lakes and rivers, Gulf of Mexico, Chesapeake Bay and the Bahamas and if you like to stay in contact with family members sending and receiving daily emails in areas such as the Dry Tortugas this can only be accomplished with an SSB or if you can afford the monthly rates of satellite internet connections via Starlink or SAT phone. Once the SS is set up its use is absolutely free if you have a HAM license and use Winlink. - If operational or emergency, how does it serve you beyond what your VHF or cell do? See above. The question you didn't ask, Would we install an SSB again if we were starting over? Yes, if for no other reason than, to fix the cost of communications in a very volatile, escalating market.
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2023 17:29:53 -0600
From: Rob Schendel <rschendel56@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sentoa] Re: SSB/HF on an NT/coastal cruiser
To: "South East Nordic Tugs Owners' Association (SENTOA)"
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Cc: Lee Corwin <lcmdpc@gmail.com>
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I agree with the prior posts. In a prior boating life we spent 4 years in
the southern Caribbean on a big sailboat which came with the same Icom SSB
and a pactor modem. I tried and tried to get it to work properly, but salt
water is hell on connectors, grounding systems, etc., and I never had much
luck. I had some cruising friends who enjoyed the various Caribbean
cruising nets on SSB, but frankly the local VHF nets were of more interest
to me. Cell phones worked almost everywhere in the islands. We carried an
InReach device which could send short text messages via satellite when we
were well offshore.

>From our experience, SSB was not used even in international cruising, so I
never have thought that I needed or wanted one for US coastal cruising.

ROB SCHENDEL
"Astra", 42 Nordic Tug

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 12:00 PM Lee Corwin via Sentoa <
sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote:

> Had a 802 with pacnor modem on last boat. Excellent rig. But coastal not
> necessary imho. Would spend the money on Starlink.
> Hippocampus
> NT42
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 31, 2023, at 12:46 PM, evan effa via Sentoa <
> sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote:
>
> Hello Miguel,
>
> I would think that your NT-42 would not be crossing oceans and used
> exclusively for coastal cruising. And limited forays off-shore.
> Accessing weather information would be far easier using cell based internet
> or a Starlink system than attempting to download GRIB files through your
> SSB.
>
> I doubt very much that anyone (apart from ham radio enthusiasts) would see
> a need for an SSB radio on a coastal cruiser.
>
> -Evan
>
> NT37-148
> Tugaway
> Victoria, BC
>
> On Jan 31, 2023, at 09:34, P MVKW via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org>
> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Clock Work, my 42, had an Icom m710 HF phone/CW/SSB radio when I bought
> it. A quick search provided no confirmation the previous owner had been
> licensed though I could have missed it. I did acquire (cut a check) the
> related license at the outset. That license has no associated exam, which I
> find puzzling given the amateur service privileges for essentially the same
> bands absolutely entails testing to at least one of the two upper licensing
> levels - General, or Amateur Extra, which requires more than a pulse. I
> don't really see how that radio is a useful option for most NT's for
> reasons I'll indicate below. Beyond that, I also believe the probability is
> significant that the next owner is both unlikely to actually need this, and
> also unlikely (or unable without amateur operating experience) to put the
> hours in to become useful with it or just get to the point where they can
> enjoy it exploring DX contacts.
>
>
> Consequently, as I am building up my own amateur inventory and defining
> what that gear set’s mission will be, one possible option I'm considering
> is removing my M710 from Clock Work and repurposing it to the
> mobile/portable end of my fixed/mobile/portable inventory. To work through
> to a hopefully intelligent decision I’d like to pose some questions to
> check my understanding. So here goes..
>
> Do any NT owners here have a HF/SSB rig on their boat? If so...
>
> - Did you add it or was it there when you bought the boat?
> - What role does it serve on your boat... Fun (e.g. amateur use)?
> Operational? In case of emergency? Or never use it (i.e. came with the
> boat)?
> - If operational or emergency, how does it serve you beyond what
> your VHF or cell do?
>
>
> That does it for my questions regarding whether removing it from Clock
> Work makes sense for the boat and the next owner. There will certainly be
> technical questions I’ll need to explore given that the radio seems to have
> some quirks about using it effectively in an emergency, amateur role.
>
>
> I’ve composed some bullet points to fill in where my thinking is today… my
> assumptions/understanding as to how an HF/SSB works in a typical NT could
> easily be off the mark, and if so I'd love to discover that quickly. Of
> course, if someone wants to add in some way to the possibilities, please do
> share. I would appreciate hearing that too. I'm not committed either way to
> any decision yet but I'm serious. As I am assuming this is a low-interest
> topic for the population at large, I’ll spare the list and put those
> additional points up on my site here:
> https://www.clockwork-usa.com/post/ssb-amateur-on-nt-s-coastal-cruisers
>
>
> Thank you for any thoughts you may have,
> Miguel
>
> --
> MV Clockwork
>
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