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Re: Sentoa Digest, Vol 127, Issue 11

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Robert Claycomb
Tue, Dec 14, 2021 3:03 PM



And the comments keep coming.

Everyone who commented seems to be worried about the boats resale, not about the issues they cause.  I bought my boat without a generator and I really doubt my resale is harmed vs what I paid .

I guess if I lived on the hook for weeks at a time, I might have a different opinion.

I also think solar is just as efficient here in Southern California.  You will have the old thru hulls in place, so let the new owner in the future add one.

I think you are making a better decision in removing it, since it is not being used.

Now wether you pickle and store it or just sell is your dilemma.

Hmmm!

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  1. Re: Northern Lights generator removal (Fire Fighter)

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I agree with the others who caution against removing a perfectly good generator. I agree that removing it will probably have a negative effect on both selling price (in the future) and marketability. Run it at least once per month and ensure it is under a good load (say 75%) and get it up to full temp, and continue with routine maintenance. I would also freshwater flush it as often as possible after running.
JMHO.
Tom Easterbrook
formerly Pilitak N737-068
Nanaimo, BC


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Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Northern Lights generator removal

on my 32 Sonia Lourdes my first Northern Lights generator frozw and a wise mechanic who came to work on it put some liquid into it and started it .
next thing,and within 2 minutes of starting it  heard a gun shot from an AR 47  rifle and ducked .
it turned out to be a round piece of metal the size of a quarter shooting out of the generator on the side . so much for this one .

took it to my northern lights dealer in Miami  (should have done this first time ) and he installed a brand new one . The new one was great as was the older one that i am told broke because salt came into the engine and froze it .

i used the Generator every time i turned on the engine as i disposed of the inverter refrigerator and got a cheaper $110.00  one from SEARS versus over $1,000. from a marine dealer . Also my Ac as on all the time in florida except jan thru april .sometimes.

the NL gen is an asset to the boat .

ffb

In a message dated 12/13/2021 12:57:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, sentoa@lists.sentoa.org writes:

I second the motion to not remove the genset unless you plan to keep your boat until you permanently end boating.  We got a good deal on a 32 mostly because it did not have a genset.  We have a small Honda E2000i portable genset aboard which will run one a/c (but not both), but the noise is distressing.

Harry Hungate
Bessie NT 32-238

On Dec 13, 2021, at 12:39 PM, steve countryman via Sentoa sentoa@lists.sentoa.org wrote:

I would think twice about removing the genset, if for no other reason that doing so will, IMO, adversely affect the marketability and selling price of the boat.

Removal of the genny will also limit YOUR flexibility if you change your plans and decide to use the boat in a different way.

There is a large NT community in the PNW and it is rare to find one in the 32’ and larger sizes without a genset.

The expense of removing the genny and subsequently replacing it with another one will be cost prohibitive, even if you get a fair price for the original generator one when you sell it.

The market for NTs is nationwide and while you may find no utility in the genset, IMO, most prospective owners will want one, and not having one will significantly reduce your prospective buyer pool.

Pickle the genset in place to protect and maintain it.  Way out in the distant future, the low hours on it will get you a higher selling price.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 9:19 AM David Owen via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.orgmailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote:

Group,

Greeting from So Cal.

WILSON, NT32-260 is being used to take 2-3 days trips across the Santa Barbara Channel with almost daily harbor changes.  This keeps my batteries charged and hot water for showers.  WILSON does not have, nor need an Air Conditioner.  I have no dreams or hopes of extended cruising (well-still think about doing a season or two in the PNW but then I don’t have a boat at home) and have not been using my generator enough to warrant the weight and or maintenance expense.  In fact, I make excuses to use it simply because I have it.

It is very quiet, but I refuse to run it for less than 45 minutes and it resents not being used.  It is about 5 years old and only has 107 hours on it, most of them from the prior owners.  I have ran it enough to keep it happy, but I did have the exhaust elbow plug up and it was replaced.  WILSON has very little AC demand – occasional espresso machine or microwave use and the invertor is easy to switch off and on as needed.  I just don’t need the generator.  It’s coming out.  I may add solar, but I don’t really even need that.

I have already removed all of the external bits and pieces, including the beautiful sound shield case.  I now have a gleaming white engine bolted on that port engine room platform with nothing attached to it.  Next step is a bit more daunting.  Has anybody either removed or installed a genset in their 32?  I would love a voice of experience telling me if I have to remove the generator end to take it out or if it can be wiggled past the main engine in once piece.  How about the engine seawater intake and strainer?  Don’t know how involved removing the generator end is, but I know that anything I do in the engine room will involve cursing and daily aches.

I am leaning towards removing the gen end, it will certainly make the removal lighter, but honestly the boat yoga thing is a counter-voice in my head.

Any thoughts or guidance appreciated and welcome.

David

David W Owen

805-689-2955

“WILSON”  Nordic Tug 32-260

Santa Barbara, CA


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  And the comments keep coming. Everyone who commented seems to be worried about the boats resale, not about the issues they cause. I bought my boat without a generator and I really doubt my resale is harmed vs what I paid . I guess if I lived on the hook for weeks at a time, I might have a different opinion. I also think solar is just as efficient here in Southern California. You will have the old thru hulls in place, so let the new owner in the future add one. I think you are making a better decision in removing it, since it is not being used. Now wether you pickle and store it or just sell is your dilemma. Hmmm! > On Dec 14, 2021, at 12:30 AM, sentoa-request@lists.sentoa.org wrote: > Send Sentoa mailing list submissions to > sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > sentoa-request@lists.sentoa.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sentoa-owner@lists.sentoa.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Sentoa digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Northern Lights generator removal (Fire Fighter) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 19:45:34 +0000 > From: Fire Fighter <firehoser75@hotmail.com> > Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Northern Lights generator removal > To: "South East Nordic Tugs Owners' Association (SENTOA)" > <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > Message-ID: <DM8PR02MB824872618A7F55DB17983903B6749@DM8PR02MB8248.nam > prd02.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DM8PR02MB824872 > 618A7F55DB17983903B6749DM8PR02MB8248namp_" > > I agree with the others who caution against removing a perfectly good generator. I agree that removing it will probably have a negative effect on both selling price (in the future) and marketability. Run it at least once per month and ensure it is under a good load (say 75%) and get it up to full temp, and continue with routine maintenance. I would also freshwater flush it as often as possible after running. > JMHO. > Tom Easterbrook > formerly Pilitak N737-068 > Nanaimo, BC > ________________________________ > From: Ffb via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > Sent: December 13, 2021 11:06 AM > To: sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org>; sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > Cc: stevecman@gmail.com <stevecman@gmail.com>; Ffb <ffb13@aol.com> > Subject: [Sentoa] Re: Northern Lights generator removal > > on my 32 Sonia Lourdes my first Northern Lights generator frozw and a wise mechanic who came to work on it put some liquid into it and started it . > next thing,and within 2 minutes of starting it heard a gun shot from an AR 47 rifle and ducked . > it turned out to be a round piece of metal the size of a quarter shooting out of the generator on the side . so much for this one . > > took it to my northern lights dealer in Miami (should have done this first time ) and he installed a brand new one . The new one was great as was the older one that i am told broke because salt came into the engine and froze it . > > i used the Generator every time i turned on the engine as i disposed of the inverter refrigerator and got a cheaper $110.00 one from SEARS versus over $1,000. from a marine dealer . Also my Ac as on all the time in florida except jan thru april .sometimes. > > the NL gen is an asset to the boat . > > ffb > > In a message dated 12/13/2021 12:57:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, sentoa@lists.sentoa.org writes: > > I second the motion to not remove the genset unless you plan to keep your boat until you permanently end boating. We got a good deal on a 32 mostly because it did not have a genset. We have a small Honda E2000i portable genset aboard which will run one a/c (but not both), but the noise is distressing. > > Harry Hungate > Bessie NT 32-238 > > On Dec 13, 2021, at 12:39 PM, steve countryman via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: > > I would think twice about removing the genset, if for no other reason that doing so will, IMO, adversely affect the marketability and selling price of the boat. > > Removal of the genny will also limit YOUR flexibility if you change your plans and decide to use the boat in a different way. > > There is a large NT community in the PNW and it is rare to find one in the 32’ and larger sizes without a genset. > > The expense of removing the genny and subsequently replacing it with another one will be cost prohibitive, even if you get a fair price for the original generator one when you sell it. > > The market for NTs is nationwide and while you may find no utility in the genset, IMO, most prospective owners will want one, and not having one will significantly reduce your prospective buyer pool. > > Pickle the genset in place to protect and maintain it. Way out in the distant future, the low hours on it will get you a higher selling price. > > > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 9:19 AM David Owen via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org<mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org>> wrote: > > > > Group, > > > > Greeting from So Cal. > > > > WILSON, NT32-260 is being used to take 2-3 days trips across the Santa Barbara Channel with almost daily harbor changes. This keeps my batteries charged and hot water for showers. WILSON does not have, nor need an Air Conditioner. I have no dreams or hopes of extended cruising (well-still think about doing a season or two in the PNW but then I don’t have a boat at home) and have not been using my generator enough to warrant the weight and or maintenance expense. In fact, I make excuses to use it simply because I have it. > > > > It is very quiet, but I refuse to run it for less than 45 minutes and it resents not being used. It is about 5 years old and only has 107 hours on it, most of them from the prior owners. I have ran it enough to keep it happy, but I did have the exhaust elbow plug up and it was replaced. WILSON has very little AC demand – occasional espresso machine or microwave use and the invertor is easy to switch off and on as needed. I just don’t need the generator. It’s coming out. I may add solar, but I don’t really even need that. > > > > I have already removed all of the external bits and pieces, including the beautiful sound shield case. I now have a gleaming white engine bolted on that port engine room platform with nothing attached to it. Next step is a bit more daunting. Has anybody either removed or installed a genset in their 32? I would love a voice of experience telling me if I have to remove the generator end to take it out or if it can be wiggled past the main engine in once piece. How about the engine seawater intake and strainer? Don’t know how involved removing the generator end is, but I know that anything I do in the engine room will involve cursing and daily aches. > > > > I am leaning towards removing the gen end, it will certainly make the removal lighter, but honestly the boat yoga thing is a counter-voice in my head. > > > > Any thoughts or guidance appreciated and welcome. > > > > David > > > > > > David W Owen > > 805-689-2955 > > “WILSON” Nordic Tug 32-260 > > Santa Barbara, CA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org<mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org<mailto:sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org> > _______________________________________________ > Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org<mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org<mailto:sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org> > _______________________________________________ > Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org<mailto:sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org<mailto:sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org> >