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Re: 5. recommendations RI-MA-CT (P MVKW)

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P MVKW
Wed, Feb 28, 2024 5:16 PM

Greetings,

Round 2 question for my oil pan swap regarding hoisting the generator
slightly. Round 1 below... and I got several sincere efforts to help me
out. I did know 3 of the recommended parties.. betting the guy who gets the
nod will be "unfamiliar with how things are done in the marine space"...
again, no good reason to write down what most people know... an emperor's
new clothes situation. As I work thru old contacts in A&P and heavy truck
work, one thing I find is.... pan - uniformly no sweat (obviously).. but
hoisting - there's a level of uncertainty not to glossed over due to the
potential for what is called in the conversations an "Al Czervik anchor
catastophe" with an even bigger chunk of metal.

So, first, let me ask a specific question and then open it up in case it
prompts an idea out there. Is there anyone who knows someone in support or
applications engineering at Onan? Since these went into Nordic Tugs in
quantity, I'm guessing there's some clever experienced trouble shooter who
already has a recipe and could be an enormous help with very little effort
or time. My build photos show the gen going into place before the deck is
added, and the working room does appear to have not been considered at the
design stage. I was given 3 names from a person at NT who said a week ago
he was going to copy me on an email to those guys.. didn't happen despite
prompting in the interim. If anyone here knows any of the experienced
support or apps-eng guys at Onan, I'd sincerely appreciate knowing how to
contact them.. At this point, I've talked to enough actually-good mechanics
to conclude I wouldn't press GO on anyone until we had a chance to discuss
the hoist in adequate detail and bring in proven know-how from someone that
has already done it. I really thought the heavy truck guys would be up to
speed on this but to their credit, both said they were unsure.

I restore shop machine tools for fun. Sometimes I keep them.. sometimes
sell them off to a good home.  Typical weight is ~1000# or more, and I
have to move them from the driveway/trailers to my basement shop myself or
with usually one friend. I have a TLB and am familiar with moving heavy
stuff that can kill you if something fails, and have optimized the tractor
(fab'd/added hydraulic-piston locks in anticipation of a pump, hose or
fitting blowout dropping the load) and the process to keep any and all
drama/vulnerability out of my life. I'll need the final hoist process to
100% make sense in advance so, to a reasonably high certainty, nobody gets
hurt and nothing gets damaged. I bring this up to possibly prompt the
recommendation of someone else exceedingly thoughtful/careful who may be
completely outside of generator wrenching. Might sound like I'm thinking
separate hoist/mechanic but even if I can't get down into tight spaces
anymore, the pan swap IS trivial and I can talk the hoist guy thru it.
"Hoist guy" as a job title puts the emphasis on this one where it belongs.

I actually have a two ideas for knock-down hoisting rigs that can be put up
exactly where they're needed.. one entirely in the ER and one extending up
into the saloon. They might work, or the approaches might branch into only
distantly similar ideas if the thinking necessary for safe and certain
execution is put in. But plan A remains to locate a source of actual
experience though and maybe look at productizing one of the designs. This
ONE stupid simple pan swap item is wasting selling time (or use if I were
still a boater) and genuinely needed to be considered at the design stage.
Or.. even that would have been fine with me too if the braided grounding
cable that burned thru the pan were routed/mounted even slightly
differently.

Sorry so long.. looking for contact with someone with actual personal
experience hoisting in an engine room and preferably an Onan in an NT42.

Miguel

From: P MVKW <public.mv.clockwork@gmail.com
public.mv.clockwork@gmail.com>Subject: [Sentoa] recommendations
RI-MA-CTTo: sentoa@lists.sentoa.org sentoa@lists.sentoa.orgGreetings,I
guess I'm primarily addressing SENTOA folks in southern New England.. Ineed
get my onan generator elevated slightly and replace the oil pan...already
have the parts. I'm specifically looking for a referral from one ofyou who
might know of an ethical, experienced, proficient,does-what-he-says
mechanic.. who can reasonably demonstrate he actuallyis these things.. and
operates in the vicinity northern NarragansettBay/SE-Mass/E-CT. Doesn't
have to work in marine-services, and in fact thatwould be my preference.
Past A&P experience viewed very positively.The engine part is an easy
fix... loosen... swap... torque. Yup.. owning aquality torque wrench is
also a job requirement. Under an hr once access isgained. The PITA will be
hoisting the gen high enough (inches) to do theoperation. My plan (the only
thought I had actually) was to do this myself

--
MV Clockwork
www.clockwork-usa.com

Greetings, Round 2 question for my oil pan swap regarding hoisting the generator slightly. Round 1 below... and I got several sincere efforts to help me out. I did know 3 of the recommended parties.. betting the guy who gets the nod will be "unfamiliar with how things are done in the marine space"... again, no good reason to write down what most people know... an emperor's new clothes situation. As I work thru old contacts in A&P and heavy truck work, one thing I find is.... pan - uniformly no sweat (obviously).. but hoisting - there's a level of uncertainty not to glossed over due to the potential for what is called in the conversations an "Al Czervik anchor catastophe" with an even bigger chunk of metal. So, first, let me ask a specific question and then open it up in case it prompts an idea out there. Is there anyone who knows someone in support or applications engineering at Onan? Since these went into Nordic Tugs in quantity, I'm guessing there's some clever experienced trouble shooter who already has a recipe and could be an enormous help with very little effort or time. My build photos show the gen going into place before the deck is added, and the working room does appear to have not been considered at the design stage. I was given 3 names from a person at NT who said a week ago he was going to copy me on an email to those guys.. didn't happen despite prompting in the interim. If anyone here knows any of the experienced support or apps-eng guys at Onan, I'd sincerely appreciate knowing how to contact them.. At this point, I've talked to enough actually-good mechanics to conclude I wouldn't press GO on anyone until we had a chance to discuss the hoist in adequate detail and bring in proven know-how from someone that has already done it. I really thought the heavy truck guys would be up to speed on this but to their credit, both said they were unsure. I restore shop machine tools for fun. Sometimes I keep them.. sometimes sell them off to a good home. Typical weight is ~1000# or more, and I have to move them from the driveway/trailers to my basement shop myself or with usually one friend. I have a TLB and am familiar with moving heavy stuff that can kill you if something fails, and have optimized the tractor (fab'd/added hydraulic-piston locks in anticipation of a pump, hose or fitting blowout dropping the load) and the process to keep any and all drama/vulnerability out of my life. I'll need the final hoist process to 100% make sense in advance so, to a reasonably high certainty, nobody gets hurt and nothing gets damaged. I bring this up to possibly prompt the recommendation of someone else exceedingly thoughtful/careful who may be completely outside of generator wrenching. Might sound like I'm thinking separate hoist/mechanic but even if I can't get down into tight spaces anymore, the pan swap IS trivial and I can talk the hoist guy thru it. "Hoist guy" as a job title puts the emphasis on this one where it belongs. I actually have a two ideas for knock-down hoisting rigs that can be put up exactly where they're needed.. one entirely in the ER and one extending up into the saloon. They might work, or the approaches might branch into only distantly similar ideas if the thinking necessary for safe and certain execution is put in. But plan A remains to locate a source of actual experience though and maybe look at productizing one of the designs. This ONE stupid simple pan swap item is wasting selling time (or use if I were still a boater) and genuinely needed to be considered at the design stage. Or.. even that would have been fine with me too if the braided grounding cable that burned thru the pan were routed/mounted even slightly differently. Sorry so long.. looking for contact with someone with actual personal experience hoisting in an engine room and preferably an Onan in an NT42. Miguel *From: P MVKW <public.mv.clockwork@gmail.com <public.mv.clockwork@gmail.com>>Subject: [Sentoa] recommendations RI-MA-CTTo: sentoa@lists.sentoa.org <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org>Greetings,I guess I'm primarily addressing SENTOA folks in southern New England.. Ineed get my onan generator elevated slightly and replace the oil pan...already have the parts. I'm specifically looking for a referral from one ofyou who might know of an ethical, experienced, proficient,*does-what-he-says* mechanic.. who can reasonably demonstrate he actuallyis these things.. and operates in the vicinity northern NarragansettBay/SE-Mass/E-CT. Doesn't have to work in marine-services, and in fact thatwould be my preference. Past A&P experience viewed very positively.The engine part is an easy fix... loosen... swap... torque. Yup.. owning aquality torque wrench is also a job requirement. Under an hr once access isgained. The PITA will be hoisting the gen high enough (inches) to do theoperation. My plan (the only thought I had actually) was to do this myself* -- MV Clockwork www.clockwork-usa.com