Well, it looks like there are some very diverse opinions being held forth. We can agree to disagree I guess. Happy cruising! -evan Sent from my iPhone (please excuse the typos...) > On Jun 14, 2024, at 14:35, Gene Fuller via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: > >  > As so often the case this thread has turned to a different subject. > > As for the original request, I opt for "sloppy". I tie the crane to the closest stanchion. Nothing moves at all, even in very rough conditions. There is little real force, and there is no indication of any problem with the stanchion base. > > To date, no one has looked and then ridiculed me for being "sloppy". > > Returning to the diverted topic, when we bought our tug a few years ago it came with Weaver davits. I immediately removed them (still in my garage) and added a crane. We love the crane. > > I consider the Weaver davits the absolutely worst possible choice for a dinghy. The problem is mainly related to dealing with the motor, fuel tank, anchor, etc, when the dinghy is upended. The more recent Seawise-type hoist is much better, but it still blocks the swim platform. > > Gene Fuller > > Yorkshire Rose > > NT 37-136 > > Punta Gorda, FL > > > _______________________________________________ > Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org

To circle back to my original question, the person I contacted at AdvanTec Marine (seller of Steelhead) responded with plans/diagrams for installation of locking pins. It’s exactly what I was hoping for, looks pretty straightforward to accomplish myself, and is an option they offer with new cranes like mine. Also, I don’t care if other people think my boat is sloppy, but I care if it is. Anyway, it looks like I got a useful response to my question. I’ll see if AdvanTec is ok with me sharing the plans with this group. Have a great weekend everyone. Jonathan Cyclops NT37-138 Freeport, Maine > On Jun 14, 2024, at 8:01 PM, Evan Effa via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: > > Well, it looks like there are some very diverse opinions being held forth. > > We can agree to disagree I guess. > > Happy cruising! > > > -evan > > Sent from my iPhone > (please excuse the typos...) > >>> On Jun 14, 2024, at 14:35, Gene Fuller via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: >>> >>  >> As so often the case this thread has turned to a different subject. >> >> As for the original request, I opt for "sloppy". I tie the crane to the closest stanchion. Nothing moves at all, even in very rough conditions. There is little real force, and there is no indication of any problem with the stanchion base. >> >> To date, no one has looked and then ridiculed me for being "sloppy". >> >> Returning to the diverted topic, when we bought our tug a few years ago it came with Weaver davits. I immediately removed them (still in my garage) and added a crane. We love the crane. >> >> I consider the Weaver davits the absolutely worst possible choice for a dinghy. The problem is mainly related to dealing with the motor, fuel tank, anchor, etc, when the dinghy is upended. The more recent Seawise-type hoist is much better, but it still blocks the swim platform. >> >> Gene Fuller >> >> Yorkshire Rose >> >> NT 37-136 >> >> Punta Gorda, FL >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org > _______________________________________________ > Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org

Jonathan, Would you care to share the plans & diagrams? Lots of us have Steelhead cranes that would find the info helpful and it would save everyone interested the time required to contact Avantec. Thanks, Steve Countryman NT42-078 AWEIGH Anacortes,WA > On Jun 14, 2024, at 6:00 PM, Jonathan Handelman via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: > >  > To circle back to my original question, the person I contacted at AdvanTec Marine (seller of Steelhead) responded with plans/diagrams for installation of locking pins. It’s exactly what I was hoping for, looks pretty straightforward to accomplish myself, and is an option they offer with new cranes like mine. > > Also, I don’t care if other people think my boat is sloppy, but I care if it is. > > Anyway, it looks like I got a useful response to my question. I’ll see if AdvanTec is ok with me sharing the plans with this group. > > Have a great weekend everyone. > > Jonathan > Cyclops > NT37-138 > Freeport, Maine > >>> On Jun 14, 2024, at 8:01 PM, Evan Effa via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: >>> >> Well, it looks like there are some very diverse opinions being held forth. >> >> We can agree to disagree I guess. >> >> Happy cruising! >> >> >> -evan >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> (please excuse the typos...) >> >>>> On Jun 14, 2024, at 14:35, Gene Fuller via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: >>>> >>>  >>> As so often the case this thread has turned to a different subject. >>> >>> As for the original request, I opt for "sloppy". I tie the crane to the closest stanchion. Nothing moves at all, even in very rough conditions. There is little real force, and there is no indication of any problem with the stanchion base. >>> >>> To date, no one has looked and then ridiculed me for being "sloppy". >>> >>> Returning to the diverted topic, when we bought our tug a few years ago it came with Weaver davits. I immediately removed them (still in my garage) and added a crane. We love the crane. >>> >>> I consider the Weaver davits the absolutely worst possible choice for a dinghy. The problem is mainly related to dealing with the motor, fuel tank, anchor, etc, when the dinghy is upended. The more recent Seawise-type hoist is much better, but it still blocks the swim platform. >>> >>> Gene Fuller >>> >>> Yorkshire Rose >>> >>> NT 37-136 >>> >>> Punta Gorda, FL >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org > _______________________________________________ > Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org

Hey there Jonathan, Thanks for the updates for us all, the pin sounds like a good possibility. I wanted to add to the thread, for you and/or others—regarding the folding eye/loop screwed into the boat deck. Our tug came this way (or perhaps an early owner added it). The loop was held to the deck with maybe 3/4” #14 bolts. Personally I don’t like the solution, because of the force generated by the davit. When you clip to the loop and sneak up on “tension” to keep the arm from swinging underway, it is all too easy to rip those bolts right of the deck. This had clearly happened before, and I “contributed" as well… Eventually I covered the holes from this with a stainless blank plate and 4000UV (may someday get fiberglass repair), and eventually also replaced the davit with a Nick Jackson pipe davit, which is much shorter and lighter in the arm— that one clips to the stanchion safety line to starboard/stern, and stays put. If you’re wondering why we replaced a perfectly good davit, it was because we wanted to maximize dingy for an Alaska trip. With some custom rail work and the pipe davit (lots of extra clearance), we got a 10’6” dingy on board without it looking ridiculous. One other solution that I really like is having a cutout in the dingy cover that the davit cable/dyneema and hook passes through, so it can stay attached to the dingy’s lifting harness after loading the dingy aboard. From that cutout, you have a zipper to one side so the cover can be removed/replaced without disconnecting the davit. Saves time and effort when launching the dingy, and is the perfect lash point for the davit. That said, with a large pivoting-boom-style davit, it might not be ideal to have the weight up high and not flat to the boat deck when underway. With a pipe davit, it’s money. Cheers! b > On Jun 15, 2024, at 06:30, steve countryman via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: > > Jonathan, > Would you care to share the plans & diagrams? > > Lots of us have Steelhead cranes that would find the info helpful and it would save everyone interested the time required to contact Avantec. > > Thanks, > Steve Countryman > NT42-078 AWEIGH > Anacortes,WA > >> On Jun 14, 2024, at 6:00 PM, Jonathan Handelman via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: >> >>  >> To circle back to my original question, the person I contacted at AdvanTec Marine (seller of Steelhead) responded with plans/diagrams for installation of locking pins. It’s exactly what I was hoping for, looks pretty straightforward to accomplish myself, and is an option they offer with new cranes like mine. >> >> Also, I don’t care if other people think my boat is sloppy, but I care if it is. >> >> Anyway, it looks like I got a useful response to my question. I’ll see if AdvanTec is ok with me sharing the plans with this group. >> >> Have a great weekend everyone. >> >> Jonathan >> Cyclops >> NT37-138 >> Freeport, Maine >> >>> On Jun 14, 2024, at 8:01 PM, Evan Effa via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: >>> >>> Well, it looks like there are some very diverse opinions being held forth. >>> >>> We can agree to disagree I guess. >>> >>> Happy cruising! >>> >>> >>> -evan >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> (please excuse the typos...) >>> >>>> On Jun 14, 2024, at 14:35, Gene Fuller via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>  >>>> As so often the case this thread has turned to a different subject. >>>> >>>> As for the original request, I opt for "sloppy". I tie the crane to the closest stanchion. Nothing moves at all, even in very rough conditions. There is little real force, and there is no indication of any problem with the stanchion base. >>>> >>>> To date, no one has looked and then ridiculed me for being "sloppy". >>>> >>>> Returning to the diverted topic, when we bought our tug a few years ago it came with Weaver davits. I immediately removed them (still in my garage) and added a crane. We love the crane. >>>> >>>> I consider the Weaver davits the absolutely worst possible choice for a dinghy. The problem is mainly related to dealing with the motor, fuel tank, anchor, etc, when the dinghy is upended. The more recent Seawise-type hoist is much better, but it still blocks the swim platform. >>>> >>>> Gene Fuller >>>> >>>> Yorkshire Rose >>>> >>>> NT 37-136 >>>> >>>> Punta Gorda, FL >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org > _______________________________________________ > Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org

Here are the plans provided to me by Steelhead/AdvanTec. (Incidentally, the people at AdvanTec have been super helpful and quick to respond to questions.) -Jonathan On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 10:23 AM Ben McCafferty <bmacpiper@me.com> wrote: > Hey there Jonathan, > Thanks for the updates for us all, the pin sounds like a good possibility. > I wanted to add to the thread, for you and/or others—regarding the folding > eye/loop screwed into the boat deck. Our tug came this way (or perhaps an > early owner added it). The loop was held to the deck with maybe 3/4” #14 > bolts. Personally I don’t like the solution, because of the force generated > by the davit. When you clip to the loop and sneak up on “tension” to keep > the arm from swinging underway, it is all too easy to rip those bolts right > of the deck. This had clearly happened before, and I “contributed" as well… > > Eventually I covered the holes from this with a stainless blank plate and > 4000UV (may someday get fiberglass repair), and eventually also replaced > the davit with a Nick Jackson pipe davit, which is much shorter and lighter > in the arm— that one clips to the stanchion safety line to starboard/stern, > and stays put. > > If you’re wondering why we replaced a perfectly good davit, it was because > we wanted to maximize dingy for an Alaska trip. With some custom rail work > and the pipe davit (lots of extra clearance), we got a 10’6” dingy on board > without it looking ridiculous. > > One other solution that I really like is having a cutout in the dingy > cover that the davit cable/dyneema and hook passes through, so it can stay > attached to the dingy’s lifting harness after loading the dingy aboard. > From that cutout, you have a zipper to one side so the cover can be > removed/replaced without disconnecting the davit. Saves time and effort > when launching the dingy, and is the perfect lash point for the davit. That > said, with a large pivoting-boom-style davit, it might not be ideal to have > the weight up high and not flat to the boat deck when underway. With a pipe > davit, it’s money. > > Cheers! > b > > On Jun 15, 2024, at 06:30, steve countryman via Sentoa < > sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: > > Jonathan, > Would you care to share the plans & diagrams? > > Lots of us have Steelhead cranes that would find the info helpful and it > would save everyone interested the time required to contact Avantec. > > Thanks, > Steve Countryman > NT42-078 AWEIGH > Anacortes,WA > > On Jun 14, 2024, at 6:00 PM, Jonathan Handelman via Sentoa < > sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> wrote: > >  > To circle back to my original question, the person I contacted at AdvanTec > Marine (seller of Steelhead) responded with plans/diagrams for installation > of locking pins. It’s exactly what I was hoping for, looks pretty > straightforward to accomplish myself, and is an option they offer with new > cranes like mine. > > Also, I don’t care if other people think my boat is sloppy, but *I* care > if it is. > > Anyway, it looks like I got a useful response to my question. I’ll see if > AdvanTec is ok with me sharing the plans with this group. > > Have a great weekend everyone. > > Jonathan > Cyclops > NT37-138 > Freeport, Maine > > On Jun 14, 2024, at 8:01 PM, Evan Effa via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > wrote: > > Well, it looks like there are some very diverse opinions being held > forth. > > We can agree to disagree I guess. > > Happy cruising! > > > -evan > > Sent from my iPhone > (please excuse the typos...) > > On Jun 14, 2024, at 14:35, Gene Fuller via Sentoa <sentoa@lists.sentoa.org> > wrote: > >  > > As so often the case this thread has turned to a different subject. > > As for the original request, I opt for "sloppy". I tie the crane to the > closest stanchion. Nothing moves at all, even in very rough conditions. > There is little real force, and there is no indication of any problem with > the stanchion base. > > To date, no one has looked and then ridiculed me for being "sloppy". > > Returning to the diverted topic, when we bought our tug a few years ago it > came with Weaver davits. I immediately removed them (still in my garage) > and added a crane. We love the crane. > > I consider the Weaver davits the absolutely worst possible choice for a > dinghy. The problem is mainly related to dealing with the motor, fuel tank, > anchor, etc, when the dinghy is upended. The more recent Seawise-type hoist > is much better, but it still blocks the swim platform. > > Gene Fuller > > *Yorkshire Rose* > > NT 37-136 > > Punta Gorda, FL > > _______________________________________________ > Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sentoa mailing list -- sentoa@lists.sentoa.org > To unsubscribe send an email to sentoa-leave@lists.sentoa.org > > >